Книги пишет никто

[eugenebo]

Вот так живёшь-живёшь и обнаруживаешь, что ещё один из твоих любимых писателей с мужской фамилией вдруг оказывается женщиной :)) Теперь это Антон Орлов, пардон, Ирина Коблова.

Потихоньку переосмысливаю прочитанное :))

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[marishia.livejournal.com]

а вот интересно - что именно меняется в осмыслении книги в таком случае?

[eugenebo.livejournal.com]

Ну, книги этого автора в своё время привлекли меня нетипичной (для фантастики) эмоциональной окраской. Как самим существенным её присутствием (vs. "батисферы-термосферы"), так и определённой добротой и уютностью, что ли. Для книг, написанных мужчинами, это редко. Соответственно, я приписывал эту особенность специфическому таланту автора. А теперь полагаю, что это скорее просто эмоциональное состояние, более характерное для авторов-женщин (что наблюдается в соответствующих книгах).

Книги, разумеется, не стали хуже. Но изменилось ожидание количества "днов" в поступках героев. Где раньше их ожидалось много (в связи с "необычностью") автора, сейчас ожидается скорее одно.

[cccce.livejournal.com]

Это означает, всего лишь, как мне кажется, что писатель, действительно, хороший:-)

[eugenebo.livejournal.com]

Возможно :))

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Btw I also don't understand - what changes from that knowledge? Do you believe that possession of one versus the other gender somehow influences intellect? Or meaning of what was written?

As for women taking male names for pseudonims it's an age old thing...(George Sand anyone?) - otherwise of course it will become "oh, woman's writing" - e.g. somehow less worthy. When J.K. Rowling was first publishing Harry Potter, she was adviced by her publisher to do her initials versus first name - otherwise apparently boys will automatically not read it since it's written by a woman. To increase sell-ability. Sad, but proves our society is still very patriarchal.

[eugenebo.livejournal.com]

Well, body structure is a function of gender. Male and female bodies are different, with some non-averlapping capabilities possessed by each gender. One must deny million of things to deny that. Then, intellect is a function of body as well. Therefore, male and female intellects must be different, too, by virtue of basic laws of physics. So it's not exactly "believe", it's something more straightforward :))

Now of course if somebody would imply that either of them is "inferior" or whatever similar crap I would disagree strongly. But the differences must exist and should be factored in to some degree into the interpretation of author's writings.

Sure, for an ideal author Max Frei's famous "все книги написаны никем" would hold, meaning that in the ideal case you need to know nothing about the author to get 100% out of his/her/its book. But, well, none of us are ideal, and the less we are the more author's personality you might need to account for in to get the right interpretation.

That's how I see it.

[miris-rants.livejournal.com]

Whereas, of course, I do agree on basic difference in gender as far as body concerned, I do not see intellect (brain function) as being tied to genitalia. A person is a product of upbringing - at best, we could say that women /men think differently due to *social* upbringing that is imposed on them. If boys weren't conditioned from childhood that it is 'not manly' to express emotion - than emotion in itself can be very well experienced by male or female brain. So emotion you liked in the books, written by a woman is simply a product of social conditioning that "ok"''s for a woman to be more emotional versus "not ok" for a man. Of course that colors your expectation.

I just wanted to point out that actually to me intellect is the only thing that's not governed by gender. And if society stopped piegon-holing people and let boys express emotion (and let girls be tough) - we in fact would get the ideal writing of simply good books, without gender - Frei is one of my favorite authors btw and precisely for that reason!

One article I read on the subject, is how society now is more open to women leadership (as far as, *availability* of positions in leadership for women) - however the problem is not workforce availability but social upbringing - not enough women are going for it, because women are still being scolded as children for displaying leadership skills - e.g., if a young girl is assertive it is "not proper" and she gets scolded, whereas same behavior in a boy is encoruaged - "boys will be boys." The article says it is much larger problem that has nothing to do with gender, actual ability or intellect - just strict *social* thing which shows how deeply our society is rooted into those stereotypes.

[eugenebo.livejournal.com]

While I agree that social conditioning does have an impact on gender-related behaviors, attributing all differences to it simply does not pass the common sense test. A person is a product of all kinds of influences -- body structure, hormones, upbringing, social conditioning, and of course propaganda. A failure of each stage typically causes very dare consequences for intelligence. Therefore a difference at each stage would case some distinction as well, and there are plenty differences known even to non-experts like me.

For example, female's body splits alcohol 25% slower than male's (per unit of body weight, http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/toxicology_final.pdf). Therefore, any alcohol either consumed or produced via natural body's metabolism would cause differences in perception and behavior.

Toys preferences at early childhood are driven by hormonal differences at least in monkeys (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/24/gender-toys-children-toy-preferences-hormones_n_1827727.html). Given that with respect to child bio-chemistry monkeys and humans are nearly the same, it would be extremely unlikely if the same effect does not exist in humans, at least to some degree.

I think that supports the point that attributing all intelligence differences to social conditioning is not exactly correct -- same as attributing them all to physical effects of gender. Everything has an impact.